Can you imagine? She’s also co-founder and chair of the world’s first graduate program in branding at the School of Visual Arts.īB: She is the Editorial Director of Print Magazine, and the author of six books on design and branding. Like I mentioned before, it’s one of the first and longest-running podcasts in the world, celebrating her 16th anniversary of this podcast. So Debbie Millman is a designer, and she’s an author, educator, and host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters.
HUNGER ROXANE GAY FRESH AIR FULL
So, before we get started, let me give you some full information on Debbie and Roxane.
I can’t wait for you to hear the conversation. Debbie and Roxane’s work has been really important in my life, and to get to know who they are as people, to know how they fell in love, to know who they are as a couple, to talk about the ins and outs of ordinary life is in itself extraordinary. We’re talking about the power of a dinner party. We’re talking about their love story, which involves everything from amazing rom-com moments to cringey first new love and waiting and not knowing when to push and when to ask.īB: We’re talking about creativity and this kind of relentless need to make space and time to create and do what you love in your life, and how saying yes to things that you don’t want to do - but you’re afraid to say no to because you’re afraid people will either stop asking or that you’ll disappoint people - get in the way of a really wholehearted, purpose-driven life. Roxane and Debbie are married and we are talking about love. Roxane is a writer, editor, cultural critic, and co-host of the podcast Hear to Slay. I am talking with Debbie about her work, and I am talking with Roxane Gay. Debbie Millman is a designer, author, educator, and the host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters, which is one of the first and longest-running podcasts in the world. And I am so excited about this conversation. I’m Brené Brown, and this is Unlocking Us.īB: You know, some days I just think to myself, “Do you really get to do this for a living? Do you really get to talk to all these incredible teachers and creators, and learn from them and learn about them?” And the answer is, “Oh hell, yes, this is what I get to do and I am so grateful.” The best way to honor the fact that this is what I get to do is just be deeply grateful for it every day, and I am deeply grateful.